Ben Tertin, author of A Kids Book About Adventure and host of Camp Adventure, talks about how to find adventure anywhere and that it's OK to feel fear when you are trying something new.
Ben Tertin, author of A Kids Book About Adventure and host of Camp Adventure, talks about how to find adventure anywhere and that it's OK to feel fear when you are trying something new.
A Kids Book About Adventure (view book)
Full Book Description:
Any conversation about adventure inevitably means having a conversation about the difference between healthy concern and overblown worry. What is adventure? What causes fear? That’s what this book explores–how living a life of adventure means living a life facing your fears.
About the Author:
Ben is a pastor and teacher in Portland OR, living out the adventure, that is life, with his wife and two (tree climbing) kids.
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A Kids Book About: The Podcast
S2 EP14, Ben Talks About Adventure
[INTRODUCTION]
Matthew: What is adventure?
Anaya: Adventure is when you like to try something new and do something really exciting.
Kai: It’s like when you go somewhere, and and it’s somewhere no one has traveled to.q
Maya: Adventure is when you explore somewhere that you don’t know.
Ben: What is an adventure? Well, I do talk about it a little bit in the book as, as a secret ingredient of it is not knowing what's going to happen.
Adventures come in all shapes and sizes, for sure. There's something about adventure that's very exciting. It has to do with not knowing what's going to happen. Exploring, wondering, discovering, challenges. All of those things are part of adventure. It's kind of a big word, isn't it?
Matthew: Welcome to A Kids Book About: The Podcast! I’m Matthew. I’m a teacher, a librarian, and I’m your host. The voices you heard just a moment ago were from Anaya, Kai, Maya, and Ben.
Each week we talk about the big things going on in your world with a different author from our A Kids Book About series.
Ben: Well, hello. My name is Ben Tertin and I am a writer and I am a dad. And you might say that I'm an outdoors man. I really like being outside a lot.
But most of all, I'm a father to my two children, Annabel and Wesley. And then we also have some pets. Our rabbit named Pepper and a puppy dog named Daisy. So there you go. That's who I am a little bit anyway.
I am also the author of A Kid's Book About Adventure.
[TOPIC FOUNDATION]
Matthew: When you hear the word “adventure”, what feelings come to mind? What experiences come to mind? So many things can turn into an adventure. Know what I mean?
I bet that’s what Maya was thinking when they asked this question:
Maya: What type of adventures are there?
Ben: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Uh, there's all kinds of different adventures, you know, on the Camp Adventure podcast, we talk about some that were scary adventures they're frightening. Uh, it might be getting through a big, huge storm when you're camping or having to go across a very difficult part of the woods or the wilderness, yeah?
But then there's exploration and inquisitive or wondering-question kinds of adventures where you might be doing science and you want to discover how something works. And it's quite an adventure as you try and fail and observe and learn.
There's learning adventures. There's creating adventures where the adventure itself is creating something.
Think about building a sandcastle at the beach or in your, in your sandbox. It's an adventure. It's a little one, but it's also really cool. Cause you have to look at, it's just a big pile of sand, but how am I going to get the water mixed in just right. So the sand can build up and I can pack it into different shapes.
So there's creating adventures, maybe a cooking adventure. Cooking, some kind of new food you've never tried or baking something that you've, you know, in a way you've never done it before. Some of my friends have been practicing baking pizza in, in ovens, they built with stones outside and then they use chunks of wood from the woods to cook their pizzas. And if you follow the story from when they started wanting to do that, to drawing the pictures of their ovens, to cooking the pizza and eating it, you could call that one long, very cool food-related adventure and a tasty adventure at that. Yeah.
How's that? Maya, that is a wonderful question.
That's there that, you know, that there's more than what I just said. I'd love to know what you're thinking. There's all kinds of adventures.
Matthew: Podcast listeners, I don’t know if you’ve read Ben’s book yet, but there’s a good chance you’re already familiar with his voice from Camp Adventure, the summer camp podcast Ben hosts.
Ben loves to tell stories of growing up in the midwest and all of the adventures he found himself in.
Ben: You know, when I grew up in Wisconsin, we didn't have beaches with tides. So I remember building a lot of, but we had a lot of snow and I remember the adventure.. It was a years-long adventure of me trying to figure it out how to build an igloo out of snow. Cause I had a kids book where a kid built an igloo and I really wanted to do it. And I tried blocks of snow and I tried rolling snowballs and stacking them up and digging big piles. But all of that together was a trying and trying again, kind of adventure.
And the truth is, I eventually did build an igloo that I could get all the way inside of. It was great.
Matthew: It’s not always easy to tell when you’re in an adventure, or when you’re about to be in an adventure. But having an adventure doesn’t have to involve travel. It doesn’t have to involve a big investment of time or resources.
So much of what defines an adventure is the way you feel before, during, and after the adventure has happens.
Ben: Yes. You actually keyed in on something that's really important about the word adventure. It's not just thinking the most positive, happy thoughts you can think about anything. Right?
Adventures, you get scraped knees. And sometimes, you know, on some of my adventures I broke my arm or I got injured or I had to learn something really, really hard, so adventure includes that it will be difficult and we'll have to try really hard, but it also never lets go of the idea this will be good. We will learn. There's always something beautiful to discover.
Ben: There we go. There we go. Uh, yeah. You know, Matthew, actually, this conversation that I'm having with you right now is a bit of an adventure, if you think about it.
I think about coming on to talk with you about these things, and I don't want to sound silly. And so I'm a little bit nervous and there's something inside of me that just wants to quit so that I don't even have a chance to make a mistake, but there's something stronger in me that says, “No, this could be really fun. Let's do it.”
So this is one of my adventures right now that I'm having with you.
I think that's really true. I feel it inside of me right now. There's an excitement. There's a little bit of fear, but here we are talking about something that's really beautiful and I think really good, so…
Matthew: We will be back in a minute with Ben Tertin and a question that Ben brought to the interview to ask all of you. All of that, right after this quick break.
[BREAK]
Matthew: Welcome back to A Kids Book About: The Podcast. On today’s episode we’re talking about adventure with A Kids Book About author Ben Tertin.
Oh, I love a good adventure! One of my favorite things about adventures, whether I’m taking a new-to-me route when I walk our dog or trying out a restaurant I’ve never been to or taking on a responsibility that I’ve never done before…
One of my favorite things about adventures is the feeling. It’s a feeling that comes in different forms, but it almost always makes a lasting memory. Almost like that adventure has changed me in some small way.
Ben: There's different stages of feeling, I think.
Generally on the front end of any kind of adventure, big or small, there's a feeling of nervousness or maybe a little bit of anxiety sometimes more.
Um, so that's all related to those questions, what's going to happen. I'm not sure how this will work out.
In the middle of the adventure, when you're working hard at figuring it out, or you're getting from one place to the other and it's, and you're in it, very exciting for me. That's, that's why I think it's cool to think about all of life as an adventure.
It's more interesting. You're more alert. Uh, I find myself, you think about walking down the street with an adventure mindset, you see all kinds of things that you wouldn't normally see if you're just trying to get somewhere. So you feel really good and there's an excitement to it. And then I guess maybe the best part is the feeling at the end of an adventure.
And this is true. Whether the adventure went really well. Or the adventure didn't go so well, what you feel at the end of it is a sense of finishing. Accomplishment.
If it went really well, you learned what to do again next time. And if it didn't go so well, you learned what to not do again, next time. And that in and of itself feels really good.
So I think that adventure is a little bit freaky on the front end. It's very exciting in the middle and it's confirming and it feels wonderful at the end.
[LISTENER QUESTION]
Matthew: You sent in so many terrific questions about adventures…
Anaya: What if someone decided to go on an adventure but they didn’t know what kind of adventure they wanted to go on. What would they do?
Kai: Do you need certain people to go or just yourself?
Anaya: If you would be on an adventure and they you got stuck, how would you get help?
Demetria: Well do you ever see any bears?
Matthew: These questions are so great and they make me think of a passage in the book where Ben writes, “Remember: the secret to adventure is not knowing what will happen.”
Ben: Yeah. I would love to ask everybody who's listening too.
And I'll ask myself, as I ask you, have you ever felt fear? Have you ever felt just a sense of anxiety, worry, nervousness?
For me, that feeling has been so big in my life that I just figured fear was always just something, it was just always going to be very powerful to me. And the secret is that if you could think of fear inside of you, it's like inside of that fear is the secret.
The insight, what you're afraid of, is not knowing what's going to happen. Not knowing if you'll be okay. And that's, that's what I said in the book, right. There is the secret to adventure.
At that moment, you can say, “Okay, I'm going to stay afraid. Which means I'll continue worrying and going through all of the different things.”
Or in that moment, I can remember. “Okay. I don't know what's going to happen. Therefore, I am afraid and that's okay. And normal. It means I'm human being.”
And now I can think about what positive good things could happen from here on out. So fear is really the big emotion I think we all feel. And if the next time you're feeling that fear come on, you can think right away, you can say, okay, what am I afraid of? And it's probably related to, I'm not sure what's going to happen.
It might be going to a new school and you're like, I don't know if the other kids are going to like me. There's a lot of fear there. It might be really small, like, I hope I put enough water in my sand here so my sand castle doesn't fall over. You feel a little fear. I don't want it to fall over. I work so hard on it. Yeah.
But when you feel that fear, you can let it not, not pay attention to it and then it sort of controls you, or you can pay attention to the fear. And that's the secret because when you pay attention to the fear, remember ,right in the middle of that fear is, I don't know what's going to happen.
And that's means I have an opportunity for an adventure here. I think that's it.
Matthew: Ben’s always had a heart for adventure, so it might not be surprising to know that Ben’s book would be about adventure.
Ben: Yeah. It starts with me.
There was a little two-story coffee shop here in Portland, Oregon, where I live and I was having a coffee with my friend Jelani Memory. And he had just put together his own book, uh, that he wanted to, to use for his own kids.
Matthew: Ben’s talking here about A Kids Book About Racism, the book that started this entire company and, as Ben shared, the one that Jelani initially just wrote for his own kids.
Ben: And so we're having a coffee and he says, “Hey, look what I put together for my kids”.
And I said, “Wow, that's really cool. And I love the idea of talking with kids about this kind of stuff.”
So one thing led to another. Jelani actually made that book as the first one, I think for the whole A Kids Book About.
And then he invited me to, to write the story about adventure. So it was a friendship with Jelani, for sure. And we went all the way back to school together. We went to college, we were friends for quite some time. So friendship, was a big part of it. But then our shared love for kids.
We both had lots of kids stories to share about our own growing up. And we thought, boy, if we can talk with kids about these kinds of things that have been helpful for us and, and let them know. That they are awesome and that they are intelligent and strong and do anything we can to help kids know they are loved and they are beautiful and good. Let's do it. And he's all about that.
And I'm all about that. So here we go. We made a book, how's that?
Matthew: Ben has been seeking adventure all throughout his life, but there’s something else here, too, that we brought up a minute ago. And it’s something that stops a lot of us from finding our own adventures.
Have you guessed it?
Ben: It's learning to pay attention to your fear. That's… I t doesn't sound like an action because you're not picking something up or going somewhere, but, but it is an action to just learn to know what fear feels like in your body and to pay attention to that fear, so that’s a big one.
Matthew: It is a big one: paying attention to your fear. But it’s what will move you forward. It’s what will help you grow. It’s what will open up your world. It’s what will help you to know and understand yourself even better.
Here’s Ben with a closing thought.
Ben: Yeah, there's one, there's one thing I do want to say. I wasn't, I didn't get to it in the book and I've thought about it ever since. And I know that at times in my life, and I know plenty of people in my life, including my wife, Allie, and sometimes me and my kids, we think I don't have what it takes for adventure. Uh, I see other people they're much stronger or they have more skill or whatever it would be.
And what I would really want to say is, I believe, I guess, I don't know if this is true for sure or not, but from all that I've read and experienced and learned and seen and everything, I really believe every human being has an adventurous spirit that that's what it, part of what it means to be human.
So I want everybody to know that I think if you're a human being, there's an adventurous spirit, really deep down inside of you, and that is worth paying attention to.
[CLOSING]
Matthew: Thank you to Ben Tertin, author of A Kids Book About Adventure, for joining us today. And special thanks to Anaya, Kai, Maya, and Demetria for lending their voices to this episode.
Anaya: My name is Anaya Griffith and I’m 8 years old and I live in the United States of America in Oregon. Um one of my favorite things is dogs.
Kai: My name is Kai. I am 6 years old. I live in Arizona, and my favorite thing is dirt bikes.
Maya: My name is Maya. I am 9 years old. I live in Arizona. My favorite thing is tennis.
Demetria: My name is Demetria. I am 5 years old. I live in Massachusetts, and my favorite thing to do is go on the ninja line.
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